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may 19, 2005, thursday.
Most Australian jurisdictions already have similar laws and no apostates have yet been sent to the gulag! It's Ok to critsise, but inciting hatred is a way differnt thing. .
The US has a different outlook prefering to give more weight to individual rights than the consequences of conduct.
i recently attended another assembly.. after getting home sunday i reflected and thought the following:.
what did i really learn about christ?
about the bible?.
I remember a few years ago a faithful older sister saying 'I remember years ago the emphisis in the mags was on Jehovah; then it went on to Jesus; and now it's more on the organisation...'. She's still faithful, but aware.
Max
i was wondering, does anyone here know if there are any countries or states that would make it ilegal for a religious group to ex-communicate someone for voting or voting for a particular party?
In my jurisdiction there's a law "Any person who uses of threatens any ... temporal or spiritual injury, or causes or threatens to cause any detriment of any kind, to an elector in order to induce him to vote or refrain from voting... is guilty of a misdomeanor, and is liable to imprisonment for 9 months, or to a fine of $200...'
For a current JW, there's no chance of using such a law - it's privilaged behaviour. But if the elders were watching who was voting at a certain poling place, noting down numbers and then punishing those they saw there including long-since faded JW's, then there just may be a chance.
The judge in Vicki Boyer's case said in common law countries the free exercise provision does not extend to inhibiting the freedoms of non-believers. So, the freedom of ex/non-JW's from criminal behaviour (stalking, assault, threats about voting...) by JW's is (probably) not impinged by the free exercise provision. I suspect that's the case in the US too.
who among us here, when on the freeway does the standard speed of 55mph.
i'd like to say that i'm a law abiding citizen, however......
it's a wonderful thing that many folks wish to follow the rules of the road but you people who don't keep it rolling with the rest of the crowd at 65-70mph are risking a catastrophe.
I was cured of speeding in a place with no limit... I had a car to 198km/h (I think about 120mph) and it was starting to feel real bad, so I eased down to 190. The I saw a sign for a limit of 80, then 60 (I think 38mph), then a small town with people on the footpath... I was still doing over 160km/h (100mph) as I went out the other side of the little town. That scared me... and I no longer speed...
my son made a point to tell me that they had what was to him a very interesting, different talk on the service meeting this week.
the presiding overseer gave a talk on the society's changed view of getting a college education.. he used the scripture which admonishes the reader to "acquire a heart of wisdom" and applied it to getting a 4 year college education for the sake of being able to support oneself at double the rate of pay with one's degree upon graduation.
this of course is only for the purpose of being able to then pioneer, only having to work a few days a week, thereby having the time for the field ministry.. such an annoying change - finally!
I wonder how many they'll loose in the dash for pioneering cash?
Nearly 10 years ago when I was an MS I reasoned much the same way (half the work for the same money) and went to university. No one critisised me (well, not that got back to me), many were very supportive and all was sweet.
But they were right that learning 'higher critism' and stuff was a tool to remove one from the beliefs of the JW's - I was out within 18 months having seen through the lack of evidence, faulty reasoning and just general awfulness of being a JW.
i just wish to know does the wts have a deliberate policy of splitting married couples if one of the spouses leaves the org even if adultery is not involved?
do they at least indirectly encourage this to happen?
and if yes is this a fairly recent policy?
Well, I think it's more a result of the general indoctrination that of any specific policy.
They see a JW living with an XJW and think 'Cricky, they're living with a crocodile... mmmm.... maybe a bit of matchmaking or "encourgement" will help them improve their lot? They'll be much happier if I help thm get away from that beast...'
So, they go about doing stuff to help the marriage fall over thinking that they're helping out....
I don't beleive there's any specific policy or program, just interfering zealots
seinfeld, simpsons, sopranos and the wire (i cant wait for season 3 on dvd)
Lots of the above + 100 Centre Street
since my last post i found out that my wife lied to get a "vow of faithfullness with another man.
in march of 2004 she asked me to sign an agreement document to give to a lawyer in order to get our marriage annulled.
i agreed only on her promise not to give it to the congregation to be with another man but only for her lawyer.
Max D-- You write very well for a six year old. They must have excellent schools where you live.
Well, they do... but that's my count of last time I set foot in a KH!!
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may they be honoured and never forgotten .
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May they be honoured and never forgotten
since my last post i found out that my wife lied to get a "vow of faithfullness with another man.
in march of 2004 she asked me to sign an agreement document to give to a lawyer in order to get our marriage annulled.
i agreed only on her promise not to give it to the congregation to be with another man but only for her lawyer.
Those darn women... even if you own them, they still run off and cause trouble for ya'll... I say, let them run free...
